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If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby silentstruggle » 04 Nov 2009, 16:23

Okay, I am straining at another gnat. I admit, this one doesn't keep me up at night, but I always wonder about it when it is sung, and it bugs me a bit.

What is up/meant/to be interpreted by the line in the third verse of "If You Could Hie To Kolob" by W. W. Phelps, which goes "There is no end to race;"?

What eternal truth is he trying to teach, or is this simply reflective of the racist notions of the times, which have been discussed in other posts?
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Re: If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby Orson » 04 Nov 2009, 16:33

"...There is no end to matter; There is no end to space
There is no end to spirit; There is no end to race."

My thought is it's simply saying our existence continues without end. Race as in 'human race' may not be the proper term for eternal beings, but hey it rhymes with space! :D
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Re: If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby MisterCurie » 04 Nov 2009, 20:43

I like the thought that he meant human beings, rather than that he is racist. I'm not sure what the original intent was, though.
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Re: If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby hawkgrrrl » 04 Nov 2009, 21:13

I always took it to mean "race" like species also. So, rather than racism, it's probably creationism. ;)
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Re: If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby mormonheretic » 05 Nov 2009, 00:12

Perhaps Phelps is referring to the human race.
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Re: If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby silentstruggle » 05 Nov 2009, 05:48


I will now quit obsessing.

Either it is referring to the human race, or there is a huge triathlon on the next life!! It will be really tough to win a race post-resurrection, because we will be all working with perfect bodies.
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Re: If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby LaLaLove » 05 Nov 2009, 11:02

I like this song! It is one thing that DH actually thinks is unnecessary - Which is bringing "Kolob" into light of people other than yourself (The revelator).
I think it has to do with time personally.
No need to worry about some type of end..No need to dig deeply into it (It's simple)..Your individual spirit will never die..There is no "Race" to win..Because there is No end (So basically take your time through life and stuff like that)
I like that line "There is no end to race" Just makes sense to me if I think about it in a way that there is no point to literally race in something that doesn't have an end .. As in a tortoise and hare kind of way :D
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Re: If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby Cadence » 10 Dec 2009, 21:47

He probably just needed something to rhyme with space.
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Re: If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby Heber13 » 11 Dec 2009, 02:15

So what is the deal with Kolob?

Isn't that supposed to be the planet closest to the place where God the Father exists...meaning God is actually in one location far away from earth, and periodically sends messengers to earth to deliver messages to us as His children, and then the messengers report back what the state of affairs on earth is like?

Is that the doctrine being presented with the Kolob revelation?
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Re: If You Could Hie to Kolob

Postby Brian Johnston » 11 Dec 2009, 09:39

That's the story as it is presented in the Book of Abraham, pretty much.
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